Notsurewheretogo - do you mean the 7 times and the idea of 360 as a year?
Anna Marina
JoinedPosts by Anna Marina
-
168
Awesome Video on debunking 1914!!!!! Follow it carefully to the end!!
by Beth Sarim ini don't know if anyone has stumbled across this video, but it just blew may away.
omg!!!
just goes to show why in dubland they adhere to the 2 witness rule so adamantly and are so anal about it.
-
-
-
168
Awesome Video on debunking 1914!!!!! Follow it carefully to the end!!
by Beth Sarim ini don't know if anyone has stumbled across this video, but it just blew may away.
omg!!!
just goes to show why in dubland they adhere to the 2 witness rule so adamantly and are so anal about it.
-
-
Anna Marina
Well don't worry they are in the next one.
-
168
Awesome Video on debunking 1914!!!!! Follow it carefully to the end!!
by Beth Sarim ini don't know if anyone has stumbled across this video, but it just blew may away.
omg!!!
just goes to show why in dubland they adhere to the 2 witness rule so adamantly and are so anal about it.
-
-
Anna Marina
Finkelstein - Yes I agree. I also think there is more to it than people knowing it is wrong. It is like Macbeth when the three witches speak about fair is foul and foul is fair. They also speak about the hurly burly being done.
I made this video which deals with the subject in a gentle/amusing way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW6I9TdA8kY&t=2s
The way Watchtower messes with the figures from the 13th year of Josiah to the years of Nebuchadnezzar's reign puts people in a mental fog. They can't quite grasp the maths but think, "oh they must know what they are talking about." Therefore, people who join the Watchtower don't know it's right, even from the beginning. They still have questions when they come in. Watchtower is like a man-trap for Christians which abuses people's reasonableness. Reasonable people accept they don't know everything.
I got told, "if the GB have anything wrong they'll correct it." That was a lie. Yes, they'll change it (if they have to) but they never really address the anomalies. You are told to wait - again an abuse of a person's reasonableness. It is reasonable to give people a chance to change. But what if the person has NO intention of ever changing? And if they have no intention, how can YOU be certain?
Well I am certain because I know the Bible and I know that when Dan 1:1 speaks of the 3rd year of Jehoiakim's rulership, it means... the 3rd year of Jehoiakim's rulership.
Now, you might not realise this but for Watchtower, that year is 8 years long. And no there is no scriptural cross ref to say, "I give you a year for 8 years." :D And I know the WT refuse to change it because I have dealt directly with the GB and they have refused to change. I gave them a chance, plenty of fair warning but they did nothing. I told them that if they did nothing, I would interpret that as their refusal to correct the 1914 doctrine.
Watchtower isn't wrong with the maths. It is insane with the maths. But sad for them, the Bible's clarity is awsome when you know just the right 7 scriptures. These 7 scriptures are SO powerful in exposing the WT that elders REFUSE TO LOOK AT THEM.
Well what's going on there? Why do people, who purport to be helping other understand the Bible, refuse to read it?
Yes you end up with an exclusive group of apostate remaining in. The courageous Christians leg it. But some go into that crisis of conscience and that does damage. So very few get away without damage and it's not their fault, they were conned. I think there is an intention to destroy people's faith in Jesus Christ and their sense of self-worth if they don't do things Watchtower's way. I think it is deliberate cruelty of the very worst kind, designed to destroy people's thinking ability and wreck their emotional state.
And on that note - the one elder who I thought might help me (a capable businessman and mathematician) - when I said I was certain the 3rd year of Jehoiakim's rulership really was the 3rd year, he called me irrational. He refused to look at the 7 scriptures I wanted to draw his attention. So he wouldn't look at the facts. He just wouldn't look. Even to this I can't believe what he did.
TD - Shem Tov is curious. If I remember correctly, he was opposed to Christianity but did a Hebrew translation of the gospel of Matthew (which was in Greek). This translation by Shem Tov is held up by Watchtower as evidence that the book of Matthew was originally written in Hebrew. So they us a translation by an apostate as a authority! But the apostate did a fair translation and Watchtower mistranslate it, deliberately.
I don't know if Shem Tov used the name Jehovah in his Hebrew translation.
-
168
Awesome Video on debunking 1914!!!!! Follow it carefully to the end!!
by Beth Sarim ini don't know if anyone has stumbled across this video, but it just blew may away.
omg!!!
just goes to show why in dubland they adhere to the 2 witness rule so adamantly and are so anal about it.
-
-
Anna Marina
Bluesbrothers, thanks for the encouraging comments. It means a lot. I put all I have into these videos and the work is surprisingly difficult. But when people like it and it helps them, I am so happy.
I used to do all the stand in talks, one of them was SO good the KH buzzed and there was a sponateous round of applause. Hey, so what did the School Overseer do? He trashed me. I sat there with tears streaming down my face. Another sister got up and did her talk, she was very simple and her talk was lame. But the School Overseer praised her to the sky. At the end of the meeting I went up to him and I said, "if a little dog got on it's hind legs and did a trick for you, you would give it a pat on the head or a chocolate button. I am a human and I did a talk for you and you've just been horrible to me. Why, why did you do that to me?"
He didn't care - just carried on telling me my talk was rubbish. But a short time later he left my congregation. He went up country and in his new cong he was just as horrible. So much so he was even named in a Mark Cora video for totally stitiching someone up.
Hi Smiddy - Yes I got several replies.
The quote regarding 2nd presence was WT contradicting itself. They use the word 'presence' instead of coming. They used to talk about Christ's 2nd presence (because it's his 2nd coming) but they don't do that anymore. That's going to pave the way for them to say he hasn't come yet and that chap in the first century was mad, bit like Nebuchadnezzar after he had had that dream about a heaven high tree. But after the 7 Gentile Times have ended, people will come to their senses and realise the Watchtower are right (?????) But they wont tell you what they are right about, that's special information and it's only for special people.
(2 John 7) . . .For many deceivers have gone forth into the world, persons not confessing Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.
Were there repercusions from my letter? Maybe - I have no proof. But my letter must have hit the Service Desk in America (cause that's where I sent it). It then got passed back to London Bethel, then it got passed to Brother 50% and his chum (who had blown the whistle on child abuse. years ago, in another cong but remains in). Bro 50% went spats at me as you know from the video. I was baffled. I wasn't in touch with anyone like Ray Franz at that point. After about a year I was. That was because I had taken to learning Greek and stuck the word 'syntelia' into Google. Via that word I found Ray online. About the same time WT brought out a study article which used the word 'syntelia'. I thought, 'they've done this because of me.' Now I have no proof of that but charts they used looked similar to mine, they also changed a teaching to do with the Master's arrival - that was a point I drew their attention to. People were scratching their heads after this article, I think it was when they changed the teachings on type and anti-type.
I read this article hoping they had actually changed the doctrine. But no, they had taken a blender to it and made a banana smoothie, with lumpy bits in. It was rubbish.
Brother Bonkers (not his real name) came up to me and said, "there see, it pays to wait on Jehovah, they listened to you."
I just didn't have it in me to bother explaining to him it was complete twaddle. So I smiled and fumbled around for something positive to say, like, "got any good jokes?"
Finkelstein - yes I agree and in the next video, to some extent I develop that point. I was just going to show the WT's crazy arithmetic but I could not divide the explanation of the arithmetic from the fact that people are being made to worship the WT.
Beth Sarim - I didn't realise that about the 'like button'. Oh yes you have to subscribe with discretion. I've got cong members subscribed to my channel who have had to unsubscribe because the elders found out and they got told-off. Having unsubscribed they have been promised they will be used as an example at a convention or some such.
-
168
Awesome Video on debunking 1914!!!!! Follow it carefully to the end!!
by Beth Sarim ini don't know if anyone has stumbled across this video, but it just blew may away.
omg!!!
just goes to show why in dubland they adhere to the 2 witness rule so adamantly and are so anal about it.
-
-
Anna Marina
Hi Beth Sarim
Yes I do subscribe to David and Vivian Aspinall's channel. Their video are very infomative.
Thanks for drawing my attention to their latest - Parousia - one of my favorite subjects!
Here's an extract from one of the letters I wrote of to the GB once I realised there was this deal breaking false teaching. I gave them a full 10 pages of explanation, plus some.
Then I ended my letter
But finally one last question. In one of the articles you recommended I read (WT 72 8/15 pp501-505 para 4) it says that “the apostles clarified many things in their letters such as Christ’s second presence…”
But in the NWT Reference Bible on p 1577 para 2-4 it says “we often speak of…the ‘second coming’… but the Scriptures never speak of a ‘second Parousia’… there is no such thing as a ‘second Presence." Is this a contradiction or am I misreading it?
-
168
Awesome Video on debunking 1914!!!!! Follow it carefully to the end!!
by Beth Sarim ini don't know if anyone has stumbled across this video, but it just blew may away.
omg!!!
just goes to show why in dubland they adhere to the 2 witness rule so adamantly and are so anal about it.
-
-
Anna Marina
Hello that's little me :)
I am working on an epic follow up - be finished one day. I'll show you how you debunk 1914 in a way you may never thought possible, using two witnesses and the numbers 19 and 14.
Also for those of you that are familiar with Hichhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, I'll will be showing you the real reason why 42 is the wrong answer. I will also provide you with the correct answer - and yes this is all tied up with Watchtower's 1914 doctrine.
By the way the above video about Brother 50% had great results locally. So much so that after disfellowshipping me they had to do another marking talk on me. I am not the only one to have been so privileged, its a new trend.
-
14
PIMI wife is not like normal women or mothers who have that natural affect.
by goingthruthemotions inis it me who thinks this.......jw pimi or pomi women lack natural affection toward there children, family and human's.. it must be the indoctrination that strips these emotions.
i see it in my wife all the time, when she talks with non jw people she is like "meh" i got to talk with you.. when she talks with jw people, she has a cult emotion like "yes my people" .
she is screwed in the head, the more that time goes by i want to leave her and get a divorce!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-
-
Anna Marina
This is a sad account of a wife who committed suicide because she never felt she was doing enough. I have also witnessed this power of constant repetition and seen how it can alter people's personalities.
One bro I know calls it 'beans on toast'. You go along expecting a nice spiritual meal but all you ever get is beans on toast. Ok its boring but constantly going on and on telling people to achieve unachievable things makes them unhinged.
To a lesser or greater extent it affects all of us UNTIL we realise we are being conned. Then it doesn't affect you but if your family are still in, you have to live watching them getting damaged. That is upsetting.
-
14
PIMI wife is not like normal women or mothers who have that natural affect.
by goingthruthemotions inis it me who thinks this.......jw pimi or pomi women lack natural affection toward there children, family and human's.. it must be the indoctrination that strips these emotions.
i see it in my wife all the time, when she talks with non jw people she is like "meh" i got to talk with you.. when she talks with jw people, she has a cult emotion like "yes my people" .
she is screwed in the head, the more that time goes by i want to leave her and get a divorce!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-
-
Anna Marina
Quick comment - not had chance to read through everything.
From my observations since 1992 - the odd mindset is the result of supestition compounded by a dreadful confidence trick. The superstition is based on WAITING. Almost Buddhist-like.
From the persepective of an indoctrinated WT publisher, they have compelling reasons to TRUST the media organization, which is Watchtower.
Much like people wont speak against political correctness because a view has been expressed through that which is deemed a trustworthy form of media, (even if it opposes Jesus Christ's own words), Watchtower people wont speak out against currently published material.
Watchtower people expect 'new light'.
Non-Watchtower people expect other things, for example that those in power will 'learn lessons.'
The difference between Watchtower and non-Watchtower people is that non-Watchtower people are not necessarily claiming to be the spokesman for the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Therefore they do not have same effectiviness at overruling the words of Jesus Christ in the crafty way that Watchtower does.
-
8
Why Don't Conservatives Take the Lead in Technology?
by RubaDub inwhy is there constant criticism about "liberals" driving new technology?
web sites, social platforms, etc.
if the us is relatively evenly divided, why do all "new" things seem to come from the liberal side?
-
-
Anna Marina
What Simon has just said
!!!SO TRUE!!!
-
8
Why Don't Conservatives Take the Lead in Technology?
by RubaDub inwhy is there constant criticism about "liberals" driving new technology?
web sites, social platforms, etc.
if the us is relatively evenly divided, why do all "new" things seem to come from the liberal side?
-
-
Anna Marina
A brother in the cong that threw me out used to work with Bell Labs in USA. He was part of the team that put together the original Microsoft DOS.
He had Scottish ancestry and explained to me that many of the technologies that had brought about the modern world had been developed by the Scots.
On the min one day he told me why my computer crashes - Microsoft hadn't got the maths right, therefore every so often, whoomph the stage on which all the actors are playing collapses. I wish I could speak to him today and point to Dan 1:1 and say "why has the WT got it's maths wrong and said the 3rd year of Jehoiakim's rulership is the 11th? And why does it say the 19th year of Nebuchadnezzar is followed by his 2nd year?"
He's a CO now. Or was.